I saw a discussion over on the Unix board where folks were mentioning their first experiences with computers at school, and access to some other classes like typing.

I was thinking about how lucky I was -- without realizing it at the time of course -- to go to a public school that offered so many classes that weren't focused on academics.

We had worthwhile home-ec (where you actually learned by doing for cooking, food safety, balancing a budget, cleaning)... all manner of shop classes -- I took auto, metal and wood shop classes -- we had typing and programming classes too, and teachers who'd stay after school for hours encouraging and helping you.

This was in the mid-1990s and it's still wild to me to think that they let 16 years old's drive their 20 year old 4500lb domestic beasts into a repair bay, put them up on a 2-post lift, and do actual work in a semi-supervised environment (I think we had a 10 kids and 1 instructor, there were two lifts, and if you weren't working on a car you were working on a small engine).

In high school I spent hours after school working in the Mac lab which was filled with Centris 610's -- we were learning on Think Pascal and would travel around to different HS programming competitions (most of the time it was a team of 4 selected and we'd pile into the teacher's LeSabre on a weekend and he'd drive us an hour to a nearby college hosting the event). We'd also have what seemed like epic Bolo matches with a dozen or so people playing.

I look at what the same school system offers now and it's pretty depressing -- the town has stayed socio-economically similar, but the classes now are focused almost entirely on academic work, geared toward testing, and they don't have a single shop class left other than a solitary robotics offering.

I wonder what killed shop class? Focusing on ranking / test scores? Bubble-wrapping kids' school lives? Sucking the joy/benefits out of transitioning from trades to education leaving the schools filled with only career educators who went from college to teaching without gaining any real world experience?

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Re: Old School
By: Dux to All on Thu Jan 02 2025 11:42 pm

I wonder what killed shop class? Focusing on ranking / test scores?

Budget cuts. No matter how bad other parts of government are, schools are always the first to get defunded when it doesn't look like there will be enough money.

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Re: Old School
By: Dux to All on Thu Jan 02 2025 11:42 pm

I was thinking about how lucky I was -- without realizing it at the time of course -- to go to a public school that offered so many classes that weren't focused on academics.

We had worthwhile home-ec (where you actually learned by doing for cooking, food safety, balancing a budget, cleaning)... all manner of shop classes -- I took auto, metal and wood shop classes -- we had typing and programming classes too, and teachers who'd stay after school for hours encouraging and helping you.

This was in the mid-1990s and it's still wild to me to think that they let 16 years old's drive their 20 year old 4500lb domestic beasts into a repair bay, put them up on a 2-post lift, and do actual work in a semi-supervised environment (I think we had a 10 kids and 1 instructor, there were two

you're lucky. i went to hs and was done in 95.
They didn't have that at my highschool. They had a shop class but they didn't do much. in middle school we had home ec and shop class. in home ec we just cooked a few things. We had sewing as well. I can not remember how to thread a sewing machine. We didn't learn how to balance a budget or anything.

i think what downscaled or eliminated a lot of those courses are insurance reasons. kids got hurt in shop and even in home ec with sewing.

In high school I spent hours after school working in the Mac lab which was filled with Centris 610's -- we were learning on Think Pascal and would travel around to different HS programming competitions (most of the time it was a team of 4 selected and we'd pile into the teacher's LeSabre on a weekend and he'd drive us an hour to a nearby college hosting the event).

we had computer courses in iigs. nothing serious and no programming.
we just typed up assignments.
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Dux wrote to All <=-

I wonder what killed shop class? Focusing on ranking / test scores? Bubble-wrapping kids' school lives? Sucking the joy/benefits out of transitioning from trades to education leaving the schools filled with only career educators who went from college to teaching without gaining any real world experience?

Some of what was said earlier is true. I graduated high school back in '81.
We had building construction, Ag shop, regular shop, drafting, beauty, and computer class. Also home ec and automotive. We had to program in Pascal and type them on a punched card and run it though a reader.

I taught in small East Texas schools in the late 90's early 2000's and you still had ag shop, home ec, automotive and computer class. They all were watered down from what we did in the 80's. Computer class was mostly excel
and word.

I was a history, econ and gov't teacher and in my econ class, I had a guy
from a car dealership and a realtor come in and spoke to the seniors
about buying a car and a house. We also did a checkbook exercise to learn
how to open an account and keep up with finances. This was nnot in the TEKS
at the time. I don't know it is now. I haven't been in a classroom in 15 or
so years.

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Re: Old School
By: Dux to All on Thu Jan 02 2025 11:42 pm

I wonder what killed shop class?

I always assumed it was insurance issues...

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Re: Re: Old School
By: Grease to Dux on Fri Jan 03 2025 11:07 am

Some of what was said earlier is true. I graduated high school back in '81. We had building construction, Ag shop, regular shop, drafting, beauty, and computer class. Also home ec and automotive. We had to program in Pascal and type them on a punched card and run it though a reader.

I taught in small East Texas schools in the late 90's early 2000's and you still had ag shop, home ec, automotive and computer class. They all were watered down from what we did in the 80's. Computer class was mostly excel and word.

I was a history, econ and gov't teacher and in my econ class, I had a guy from a car dealership and a realtor come in and spoke to the seniors
about buying a car and a house. We also did a checkbook exercise to learn how to open an account and keep up with finances. This was nnot in the TEKS at the time. I don't know it is now. I haven't been in a classroom in 15 or

haha i did not get that experience.
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Dux wrote to All <=-

We had worthwhile home-ec (where you actually learned by doing for cooking, food safety, balancing a budget, cleaning)... all manner of
shop classes -- I took auto, metal and wood shop classes -- we had
typing and programming classes too, and teachers who'd stay after
school for hours encouraging and helping you.

I was the guy there who said I wished I'd taken auto shop and typing. To
get access to tools and lifts for free to work on your own car on your
time would have been amazing.

This was back in the 1980s, when silicon valley still manufactured
electronics. We had an electronics lab where people learned about logic circuits, LEDs, breadboards and made basic circuits in high school.

I look at what the same school system offers now and it's pretty depressing -- the town has stayed socio-economically similar, but the classes now are focused almost entirely on academic work, geared toward testing, and they don't have a single shop class left other than a solitary robotics offering.

I wonder what killed shop class? Focusing on ranking / test scores? Bubble-wrapping kids' school lives? Sucking the joy/benefits out of transitioning from trades to education leaving the schools filled with only career educators who went from college to teaching without gaining any real world experience?

Government driving the economy through an education bubble driven by
grants and loans, driving the cost of tuition sky high?





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I saw a discussion over on the Unix board where folks were mentioning their first experiences with computers at school, and access to some
other classes like typing.

In my school district, we had all Apple II hardwares. I believe in much later years they had some Macintosh boxes and then the PCs came in high school - but I learned all on ProDOS and Turtle, with a dash of Oregon Trail. :P



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Re: Old School
By: MRO to Dux on Fri Jan 03 2025 05:23:22

didn't do much. in middle school we had home ec and shop class. in home ec we just cooked a few things. We had sewing as well. I can not remember how to thread a sewing machine. We didn't learn how to balance a budget or anything.

I vividly remember that class -- we had to make pasta, bake brownies or cookies from scratch, cook chicken/beef and check the temp, use the two-tub method to clean dishes, scrub the sink after, etc... for the sewing portion you had two options for what you could make: pillows or a rifle case...

we had computer courses in iigs. nothing serious and no programming.
we just typed up assignments.

Middle school we used Logo and Applesoft Basic on the //e's -- I think the iigs had a few interesting things like a handscanner and a TV camera interface (w/ QVGA resolution and horrible color).

High school was all Think Pascal because that's what our computer teacher was most familiar with, they had replaced the IBM typewriters by that point with IBM PS/2s which were used exclusively for typing and business applications, which was a shame because there were a lot of other opportunities but I recall they had no one to really deal with those so time in those labs was pretty sparse.

Knock wood I can't think of a single injury from the shop classes other than one idiot who used to see how far back he could lean the shop stools before he tipped over... we even had a huge oxyacetylene torch to liquify rusty bolts and managed no burns to our bodies or retinas.

I don't mean to dump on how it is today, as a parent I know we've got different problems today, but it was honestly a different era back then -- By age 11 or so school ended at 1:30-3:00, my parents were home by 6:00 best case, I had to get home, make myself food, and figure out what to do with myself... and those nudie GIF files took forever at 2400bps.

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Re: Old School
By: Dux to All on Thu Jan 02 2025 11:42 pm

I wonder what killed shop class? Focusing on ranking / test scores?

I suspect it was not profitable for the school. Real workshops are expensive to keep. Also, interest in trades is vanishing among young people.

My high-school had tons of well equiped workshops, but that is because the center was designed to be a trade training center and academic plans were an afterthought. They had engine labs and electronics labs and whatever have you because back in the day they trained professionals to fix engines and radios.

The advantage is if you were taking academic studies instead of learning a trade you would still get access to the labs from time to time. Designing a PCB on a piece of paper is nice, building it in a lab is golden. Watching the bully asshole get splashed with boric acid because he didn't follow safety instructions is priceless.


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Re: Old School
By: Bf2k+ to Dux on Fri Jan 03 2025 09:52 am

I wonder what killed shop class?

I always assumed it was insurance issues...

Dunno about that. Maybe.

People in high-school age all want to be bloggers and youtubers and they all take academic paths if given the option. You never see any youngster hoping to be an electrician anymore, so my hypothesis is there is not much interest in workshop-style work.


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Re: Old School
By: Dux to All on Thu Jan 02 2025 11:42 pm

I was thinking about how lucky I was -- without realizing it at the time of course -- to go to a public school that offered so many classes that weren't focused on academics.

It was nice, I had the same experience. We called them 'vocational' classes, and my main choice was auto body repair (because I liked cars). I spend three periods per day in that class banging out dents, sanding, painting, etc. It was fun. Never got into that industry but at least I learned things.

We had worthwhile home-ec (where you actually learned by doing for cooking, food safety, balancing a budget, cleaning)... all manner of shop classes -- I took auto, metal and wood shop classes -- we had typing and programming classes too, and teachers who'd stay after school for hours encouraging and helping you.

Same. except I never took home-ec. Metal shop, wood shop, electronics, drafting, all just typical 'elective' classes.

In high school I spent hours after school working in the Mac lab which was filled with Centris 610's -- we were learning on Think Pascal and would travel around to different HS programming competitions (most of the time it was a team of 4 selected and we'd pile into the teacher's LeSabre on a weekend and he'd drive us an hour to a nearby college hosting the event). We'd also have what seemed like epic Bolo matches with a dozen or so people playing.

We had a photography club (a science teacher, about 5 kids and a darkroom) and it was great. Learned how to develop film, etc. I finished high school in 1982, so not much for computers for me. Apple computers were just coming into the school as I was leaving, but my father was an engineer and got me into a weekly thing for teens at Honeywell messing with Multics and CP-5. That was my real first experience in computers. Fun!

I wonder what killed shop class? Focusing on ranking / test scores?

I really don't know, but my daugher went to the same schools that I did, so I got to visit there in the 2000s. All the vocational facilities were just empty, or offices or something. Not much offerred. I wish she could have experienced what I did in school.
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Re: Re: Old School
By: paulie420 to Dux on Fri Jan 03 2025 18:52:00

In my school district, we had all Apple II hardwares. I believe in much later years they had some Macintosh boxes and then the PCs came in high

Apple saw the opportunity in education and really dominated those sales in the 80s and 90s. I guess PC was just seen as too complex for that demographic.

At some point in the late 90s -- probably w/ Jobs' return -- Apple leaned hard into to focusing on the creative types. Now based on the 'Apple Intelligence' commercials I see they're focusing on bored office workers who are trying to skate through their work days...

The 'PC is too hard' thing reminds me, my parents sent me a nerd-camp at a local college when I was in elementary school and middle school -- the modeled it after college, you'd sign up for classes and move through the day between them... thigs like building/launching model rockets, playing D&D -- my favorite aspect was the programming. The college had a brand new building dedicated to computer science. We'd sit air conditioned labs working on IBM 5150's to create programs in GW-BASIC, at the end of each session we'd print out our program and a sample run on 11x17 green bar tractor paper to bring home, and save it to a 5.25" floppy we were assigned, at the end of each summer we'd bring the floppy home -- I probably still have a couple of them kicking around.

I'll admit we were all nerds, but if they could manage to get 20 4th graders to boot PCs, open GW-BASIC, and build simple programs it couldn't have been /that/ bad...

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Re: Old School
By: Arelor to Bf2k+ on Sat Jan 04 2025 09:06 am

Dunno about that. Maybe.

People in high-school age all want to be bloggers and youtubers and they all take academic paths if given the option. You never see any youngster hoping to be an electrician anymore, so my hypothesis is there is not much interest in workshop-style work.

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I was not prepared to go into the work force in any way. Manufacturing isn't idiot work, either. There is a lot of the line and you have to have skills and be knowledgeable. You need a lot of soft skills.

School did none of that for me. I raised my son to an adult and my step daughter to an adult. I could see they were not being prepared too. I just told them to focus on math because that can help you through life.

From what i've personaly seen is kids are leaving highschool now thinking they are going to be a million dollar youtuber. before it was basketball player
and a few other things. Now they think people will want to see them shoot stupid videos or make twitch game streams. it's now ok for girls to show pics of their butthole for 2.99 a month on onlyfans.

it's just a sad situation for lower middle class kids nowadays.
children should be going to a trade school while still going to regular school. just cut out sociology and gym.

I wish i knew then what i know now. There's some certs you can get where you can still get a job with a pension and barely do anything.
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The 'PC is too hard' thing reminds me, my parents sent me a nerd-camp at
a local college when I was in elementary school and middle school -- the modeled it after college, you'd sign up for classes and move through the day between them...
We'd sit air conditioned labs working on IBM 5150's to create programs in Du> GW-BASIC, at the end of each session we'd print out our program and a Du> sample run on 11x17 green bar tractor paper to bring home, and save it to Du> a 5.25" floppy we were assigned, at the end of each summer we'd bring the Du> floppy home

LOL - That sounds like something I'd of loved... while I had access to a 5150, and then jumped into clones at my own house, I missed the programming bit until a lot later. Started w/ games, moved over to PD BBSing - then pirate BBSing, hacking, other activities and THEN programming by necessity. :P

I think the other way around might have been a better road.



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Arelor wrote to Dux <=-

My high-school had tons of well equiped workshops, but that is because
the center was designed to be a trade training center and academic
plans were an afterthought. They had engine labs and electronics labs
and whatever have you because back in the day they trained
professionals to fix engines and radios.

Around here in California, that seems to have moved to the junior
college level. There are JCs that are intended as a place for people to
get their lower-division classes done in a cheaper, easier to enter
environment, with some assurances that classes will transfer 1:1 into
the university of California system.

Some of the other colleges have trade certificatations - I took a photo
class at Laney college in Oakland, and walking around saw classrooms
with HVAC systems hanf-apart, another classroom with those full-head
hair dryers, and another one with a metal shop. Great news if you could
learn a trade for $20 a semester unit.

The advantage is if you were taking academic studies instead of
learning a trade you would still get access to the labs from time to
time. Designing a PCB on a piece of paper is nice, building it in a lab
is golden. Watching the bully asshole get splashed with boric acid
because he didn't follow safety instructions is priceless.

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Arelor wrote to Bf2k+ <=-

People in high-school age all want to be bloggers and youtubers and
they all take academic paths if given the option. You never see any youngster hoping to be an electrician anymore, so my hypothesis is
there is not much interest in workshop-style work.

True, but back in the 1980s when I went to school, cars were simple.
Carbs, points, distributors, voltage regulators. No computers. You could
buy a bitchin' 1970s Camaro and spend your free time with it on the
lift, doing all sorts of work you couldn't do in your driveway - and
with access to a killer set of tools.




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Retro Guy wrote to Dux <=-

We had a photography club (a science teacher, about 5 kids and a
darkroom) and it was great. Learned how to develop film, etc. I
finished high school in 1982, so not much for computers for me.

1983 here, my senior year was the first time I programmed on a
computer. We had a lab with several Commodore CBM machines and wrote a
ton of BASIC.

I wish we had a photo club, I would have loved to get into photography
early. It wasn't until later, when I'd been into photography for
several years that I took my first darkroom class. By that time it was
interesting learning physical techniques for things we take for granted
in digital photography.



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paulie420 wrote to Dux <=-

LOL - That sounds like something I'd of loved... while I had access to
a 5150, and then jumped into clones at my own house, I missed the programming bit until a lot later. Started w/ games, moved over to PD BBSing - then pirate BBSing, hacking, other activities and THEN programming by necessity. :P

I started off on microcomputers, but once I was in college the
multi-user systems were so much more fun - poking around places you
shouldn't, learning about the system, sending messages to other users
online, and compiling programs a helluva lot faster than on a PC. The
computer rooms were a social gathering place, people could share ideas
and pitch in for bad coffee.

That was cool for a while, then Turbo C came out and everyone went back
to coding in their rooms. The coffee was definitely better there...





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My high-school had tons of well equiped workshops, but that is because the center was designed to be a trade training center and academic
plans were an afterthought. They had engine labs and electronics labs and whatever have you because back in the day they trained
professionals to fix engines and radios.

Around here in California, that seems to have moved to the junior
college level. There are JCs that are intended as a place for people to
get their lower-division classes done in a cheaper, easier to enter
environment, with some assurances that classes will transfer 1:1 into
the university of California system.

In Kentucky, that would be the community colleges, although there are high schools that also still offer college credits for some things.


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People in high-school age all want to be bloggers and youtubers and
they all take academic paths if given the option. You never see any youngster hoping to be an electrician anymore, so my hypothesis is
there is not much interest in workshop-style work.

True, but back in the 1980s when I went to school, cars were simple.
Carbs, points, distributors, voltage regulators. No computers. You could
buy a bitchin' 1970s Camaro and spend your free time with it on the
lift, doing all sorts of work you couldn't do in your driveway - and
with access to a killer set of tools.

For many years I had a 1980 Chevrolet Monte Carlo that was first purchased
in California. I hate to tell you this, but cars sold in California back
then did indeed have computers in them in order to regulate the "California emmissions" systems they had to be equiped with in order to be sold there.


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Re: Re: Old School
By: Dux to paulie420 on Sat Jan 04 2025 10:18 am

I'll admit we were all nerds, but if they could manage to get 20 4th graders to boot PCs, open GW-BASIC, and build simple programs it couldn't have been /that/ bad...

I agree.. I got experience using my dad's computers when I was growing up, and he gave me my own (hand-me-down) PC when I was 12, just after 6th grade. Aside from playing games and calling BBSes with it, I did some programming with GW-BASIC fairly soon after I got it.

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Re: Re: Old School
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Arelor on Sun Jan 05 2025 10:10 am

True, but back in the 1980s when I went to school, cars were simple. Carbs, points, distributors, voltage regulators. No computers. You could buy a bitchin' 1970s Camaro and spend your free time with it on the lift, doing all sorts of work you couldn't do in your driveway - and with access to a killer set of tools.

My older brother graduated high school in the mid-80s. One time, he said he and some friends did a prank on one of their teachers, which was taking apart his car enough so that they could move his car inside the school library and re-assemble it there.

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Re: Re: Old School
By: Dumas Walker to POINDEXTER FORTRAN on Mon Jan 06 2025 09:01 am

In Kentucky, that would be the community colleges, although there are high schools that also still offer college credits for some things.

My kids are clamoring for AP classes because they're more "fun" than the basic classes - what they don't know yet is that senior year AP classes can be used for college credit, which makes scheduling the first year of college much easier.
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Re: Re: Old School
By: Dumas Walker to POINDEXTER FORTRAN on Mon Jan 06 2025 09:14 am

True, but back in the 1980s when I went to school, cars were simple. Carbs,
points, distributors, voltage regulators. No computers. You could buy a
bitchin' 1970s Camaro and spend your free time with it on the lift, doing
all sorts of work you couldn't do in your driveway - and with access to a
killer set of tools.

For many years I had a 1980 Chevrolet Monte Carlo that was first purchased i California. I hate to tell you this, but cars sold in California back then did indeed have computers in them in order to regulate the "California emmissions" systems they had to be equiped with in order to be sold there.

What I meant to say was "the cars kids were driving in the 1980s. 1974 was the beginning of the malaise era in Detroit, and emission controls were a big part of that.

Most of the cool cars in 1981-1983 were pre-emissions Camaros, early Mustangs Plymouth Dusters, Chevy Chevelles and a ton of other 1960-70s american cars.
Those were simple cars at their base.

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Re: Re: Old School
By: Nightfox to Dux on Mon Jan 06 2025 09:47 am

I agree.. I got experience using my dad's computers when I was growing up, and he gave me my own (hand-me-down) PC when I was 12, just after 6th grade.

I went the opposite direction. When my dad retired, I built him a hand-me-down PC because he wanted to do some consulting work. He ended up discovering side-scroller games and usenet instead. :)
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Re: Re: Old School
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Dumas Walker on Mon Jan 06 2025 02:27 pm

Re: Re: Old School
By: Dumas Walker to POINDEXTER FORTRAN
on Mon Jan 06 2025 09:01 am

In Kentucky, that would be the community colleges, although there are high schools that also still offer college credits for some things.

My kids are clamoring for AP classes because they're more "fun" than the basic classes - what they don't know yet is that senior year AP classes can be used for college credit, which makes scheduling the first year of college much easier.

I thought I'd let you know: your message came through here with embedded ANSI escape sequences (the Re/By/On header info up there), which defeats the word/line wrap in Synchronet (we don't try to wrap ANSI-encoded messages).

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It appears maybe you have one or more sub-boards set to convert Ctrl-A codes to ANSI upon export to QWKnet/VERT.

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I thought I'd let you know: your message came through here with
embedded ANSI escape sequences (the Re/By/On header info up there),
which defeats the word/line wrap in Synchronet (we don't try to wrap ANSI-encoded messages).

Normally, DOVE-Net messages are exchanged between Synchronet systems
using Ctrl-A codes (instead of ANSI) whenever possible. Can you double-check your settings in SCFG->Networks->QWK->Hubs->VERT against
the instructions here: https://wiki.synchro.net/howto:dove-net

That's odd, the hub was set to "expand", I've set it to "leave in". I
haven't touched this in some time.

Is there a preferred per-area setting? I have "export ASCII only" set to
"no" in the area configuration.





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In Kentucky, that would be the community colleges, although there are high schools that also still offer college credits for some things.

My kids are clamoring for AP classes because they're more "fun" than the

asic

classes - what they don't know yet is that senior year AP classes can be used for college credit, which makes scheduling the first year of college much easier.

If they are classes on topics that interest them, they sure can be more
fun. By they time our senior year came around, the only class that
directly gave college credit was Senior English and it was not known for
being fun.

OTOH, if you took other honors and above level classes and might have learned enough to earn some credits, you could then take the AP tests. I tested out
of college history that way. OTOH, another test I took turned out to be
one that the local uni wouldn't honor the credits for because it would have meant testing out of 6 hours worth of classes which cut into their profits.

IIRC, that was also English.


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Re: Re: Old School
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Digital Man on Tue Jan 07 2025 06:46 am

That's odd, the hub was set to "expand", I've set it to "leave in". I haven't touched this in some time.

I just noticed the lack of word-wrapping of your message and that's what lead to my determination it was ANSI sequences.

Is there a preferred per-area setting? I have "export ASCII only" set to "no" in the area configuration.

That's fine - we want extended ASCII (CP437 or UTF-8) in DOVE-Net! :-)

I think the main "per area" settings recommended are limiting access to the SYNCDATA sub and the Sysops-only subs. Those are covered here: https://wiki.synchro.net/network:dove-net#conferences
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